Når man i norge ikke engang klarer å elektrifisere all jernbane så er vel det meste vanskelig?
Nja, den jernbanen som fortsatt går dieselelektrisk i Norge er så liten at det knapt kan måles på noe utslippsregnskap. Aka ingen bryr seg.
I dagens verden hvor man skal være best i å kutte utslipp, så blir man mere populær med å se på de som man kan kalle store stygge ulvene; de som produserer og forbruker olje/gass.
Elektrifisering av sokkelen (olje og gass installasjoner), skip, transport, etc er i tiden. De aller fleste skjønner at en oljerigg ikke kan forsynes fra et solcellepanel eller vindmølle (som gir strøm kun når ideelle forhold), så skal den elektrifiseres så må det være stabil kraft.
Norge skal jo ikke bygge ut noen mere slik stabil kraft, kraften må likevel skaffes, så da må det legges til rette for kabler til utlandet.
Så det er ingen som lyger når de sier at Norge trenger alle disse kablene for det som de kaller forsyningssikkerhet.
- Folk flest ser tilbake i tid og hva landet har trengt av kraft i dagens verden, mens kablene bygges jo for hva som kommer til å trenges i det kommende grønne skiftet.
Men gir kablene mer stabil kraft når stabil kraft i Europa baserer seg på kull og atomkraft som skal legges ned og delvis erstattes med sot og CO2-spyende pellets fra North Carolina hvor en hugger 650 mål pr døgn?
Du trenger i alle fall tilgang på mere kraft enn idag, fordi det er jo ikke slik at landet tyter over av produksjon. Husk at det er forsyningssikkerhet som snakkes om, aka Norge produsere sitt og for å ikke måtte koble ned så må det kunne importeres. (eks en oljeinnstallasjon vil ikke fungere plagsomt bra om strømmen faller ut titt og ofte)
-Mange vil nok få seg en overraskelse over hvor mye energi som trengs for å eks drifte offshoreinstallasjon pr døgn. Så er det bare å gange opp med antall som skal elektrifiseres.
Eller se på noe så som banalt som Color Magic ferga som går Oslo-Kiel. Hvor mange liter diesel brenner den pr tur, med å farte frem og tilbake med fulle nordmenn? Folk dropper fort av når man snakker om eks tusen kubikk med diesel. Er vel ikke så mye det? -Tusen bare.......
Så ja, landet trenger kablene (og flere) for å kunne få til disse planene i det grønne skiftet.
Det grønne skiftet er det største floppet som noen ganger har eksistert. Ikke mulig å gjennomføre, jeg tror ikke de fleste skjønner det før Tyskland går ned med de grønne på dekket. Deler denne en gang til, oversatt av meg fra tysk. Physicist: "German energy transition will burst like a soap bubble" The advocates of Germany's energy transition hide the laws of physics, says Sigismund Kobe, professor emeritus physics at TU Dresden. He demonstrates this through the various forms of renewable energy, which are often mistakenly all lumped together.
Renewable energy sources are not sufficient Germany is the first country to completely phase out of coal and also shut down its nuclear power plants. The industrialized nation wants to prove to the entire world: It is possible to ensure a stable power supply in Germany only through renewable energy sources. This will not end, Kobe emphasizes in conversation with the German medium Eifelon, for physical reasons, as he shows on the basis of the various forms of renewable energy sources. https://exxpress.at/media/2021/10/lavant-g65eb626e9-1920.jpgThe possibilities for the expansion of hydropower plants are limited in Germany Although hydropower and biogas plants could largely provide electricity according to the needs of consumers, they no longer have greater expansion potential in Germany. In contrast to Norway or Switzerland, Germany lacks enough regions with the necessary height differences to build enough additional hydropower plants. In addition, the annual rainfall is not sufficient. The agriculturally usable land in Germany, on the other hand, is already sufficiently divided into those for food and feed production and those for bioenergetic use. This severely limits the future potential of these two renewable energy sources for Germany. In wind and sun, the fluctuations are too great As further renewable energy sources in which Germany could invest, only wind and sun remain. The problem: Electricity generation fluctuates here, as Kobe emphasizes. It just depends on whether the wind is blowing - or not, although the latter is quite often the case. In the case of solar energy, on the other hand, everything depends on solar radiation: "The vast majority of the annual share of electricity from photovoltaic systems in electricity production is fed in summer and then again especially in a few hours around noon, before and after the proportion is low and at night the sun never shines." The network will soon no longer be able to cope with these additional generation fluctuations. https://exxpress.at/media/2021/10/solar-panel-g915bb436d-1920.jpgSolar systems can be expanded, but this does not change the fluctuations in electricity generation Unlike hydropower and biogas plants, the addition of solar and wind turbines in Germany is quite possible and is also often demanded - but unfortunately it does not solve the problem. Despite strong addition, the actual performance has already remained comparatively low. If even more wind and solar systems are added, the problems in the event of dark slumps cannot be solved. If no wind blows in Germany, no wind turbine moves, no matter how many additional ones have been set up. Conversely, if too much sun shines and too much wind blows, the plants produce more than all consumers can lose weight. Even then, security of supply is endangered and the system is no longer stable. Germany needs much more storage The problem is: Consumers set the rhythm. You determine when how much electricity is needed. Electricity is the most perishable commodity in the world, says Kobe. At the same time as it is produced, it must also be consumed. However, excess electricity cannot be stored in the grid. One solution would be to store the currently too much electricity generated. The problem: Germany does not have such storage with the necessary gigantic storage capacity, and they will not be available to it in the foreseeable future. https://exxpress.at/media/2021/10/tesla-gf74aa1074-1920.jpgBatteries from electric cars are also not a substitute for electricity storage The batteries of the electric cars were far from sufficient as electricity storage, not to mention that no one will bear the costs of temporary storage unless they are compensated for it. Kobe is most concerned about security of supply. It is not without reason that the author of the monitoring report of the Ministry of Economic Affairs remained anonymous. It says: "Overall, the availability of energy sources for electricity generation must be considered secure." Kobe says: "Experts are horrified and sound the alarm." https://exxpress.at/physiker-deutsche-energiewende-wird-platzen-wie-eine-seifenblase/?fbclid=IwAR19Yy0kIBDxkGFGiBpkEqtq8ZEUtaSYtOQqMwgKAlIhCWWB6raVjz3qHx0
Er enig i det vesentlige av argument og i konklusjonen. Jeg spår haraball av et oppgjør i Glasgow i neste uke da grønnskollingene sesser seg for stevnemøte med sine innchartrede fly og innstuderte poseringsfakter. Men för all del - jag kan ha fel...
Nå snakker kålhodene om tilbud og etterspørsel. Hvis vi bruker mindre vil prisen falle. Det har dessverre ingen sammenheng her. Det er kablene som har knyttet oss til ett marked der stømmen er mye dyrere. Bruker vi mindre, så selges det bare mer til EU/England. Varmepumpe industrien gnir seg i hindene nå
Ja, sett fra norsk side så er markedet for kraft i Europa umettelig. Mindre forbruk i Norge gir mere å eksportere.
Man bør merke seg at selv om Norge bygde ut samtlige elver/fosser i dette landet til vannkraftsanlegg, og i tillegg slengte på et par atomkraftverk, så vil ikke dette gi lavere strømpriser i Norge.
Ja, sett fra norsk side så er markedet for kraft i Europa umettelig. Mindre forbruk i Norge gir mere å eksportere.
Man bør merke seg at selv om Norge bygde ut samtlige elver/fosser i dette landet til vannkraftsanlegg, og i tillegg slengte på et par atomkraftverk, så vil ikke dette gi lavere strømpriser i Norge.
Joda, for såååå stor overføringskapasitet har vi faktisk ikke.
Nja, den jernbanen som fortsatt går dieselelektrisk i Norge er så liten at det knapt kan måles på noe utslippsregnskap. Aka ingen bryr seg.
I dagens verden hvor man skal være best i å kutte utslipp, så blir man mere populær med å se på de som man kan kalle store stygge ulvene; de som produserer og forbruker olje/gass.
Elektrifisering av sokkelen (olje og gass installasjoner), skip, transport, etc er i tiden.
De aller fleste skjønner at en oljerigg ikke kan forsynes fra et solcellepanel eller vindmølle (som gir strøm kun når ideelle forhold), så skal den elektrifiseres så må det være stabil kraft.
Norge skal jo ikke bygge ut noen mere slik stabil kraft, kraften må likevel skaffes, så da må det legges til rette for kabler til utlandet.
Så det er ingen som lyger når de sier at Norge trenger alle disse kablene for det som de kaller forsyningssikkerhet.
- Folk flest ser tilbake i tid og hva landet har trengt av kraft i dagens verden, mens kablene bygges jo for hva som kommer til å trenges i det kommende grønne skiftet.
Husk at det er forsyningssikkerhet som snakkes om, aka Norge produsere sitt og for å ikke måtte koble ned så må det kunne importeres. (eks en oljeinnstallasjon vil ikke fungere plagsomt bra om strømmen faller ut titt og ofte)
-Mange vil nok få seg en overraskelse over hvor mye energi som trengs for å eks drifte offshoreinstallasjon pr døgn.
Så er det bare å gange opp med antall som skal elektrifiseres.
Eller se på noe så som banalt som Color Magic ferga som går Oslo-Kiel. Hvor mange liter diesel brenner den pr tur, med å farte frem og tilbake med fulle nordmenn?
Folk dropper fort av når man snakker om eks tusen kubikk med diesel. Er vel ikke så mye det? -Tusen bare.......
Så ja, landet trenger kablene (og flere) for å kunne få til disse planene i det grønne skiftet.
Deler denne en gang til, oversatt av meg fra tysk.
Physicist: "German energy transition will burst like a soap bubble"
The advocates of Germany's energy transition hide the laws of physics, says Sigismund Kobe, professor emeritus physics at TU Dresden. He demonstrates this through the various forms of renewable energy, which are often mistakenly all lumped together.
Stefan Beig24 October 2021 16:44
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https://exxpress.at/media/2021/10/bildschirmfoto-2021-10-24-um-153120-removebg.jpgSigismund Kobe: The emeritus physics professor is worriedKobe
According to Sigismund Kobe, the German energy transition is based on "ignorance of physical laws". The emeritus physics professor at the Dresden University of Technology, born in 1940, is sure: "If natural and engineering principles continue to be ignored as before, the entire previous concept of the energy transition will burst like a colorful soap bubble."
Renewable energy sources are not sufficient
Germany is the first country to completely phase out of coal and also shut down its nuclear power plants. The industrialized nation wants to prove to the entire world: It is possible to ensure a stable power supply in Germany only through renewable energy sources. This will not end, Kobe emphasizes in conversation with the German medium Eifelon, for physical reasons, as he shows on the basis of the various forms of renewable energy sources.
https://exxpress.at/media/2021/10/lavant-g65eb626e9-1920.jpgThe possibilities for the expansion of hydropower plants are limited in Germany
Although hydropower and biogas plants could largely provide electricity according to the needs of consumers, they no longer have greater expansion potential in Germany. In contrast to Norway or Switzerland, Germany lacks enough regions with the necessary height differences to build enough additional hydropower plants. In addition, the annual rainfall is not sufficient. The agriculturally usable land in Germany, on the other hand, is already sufficiently divided into those for food and feed production and those for bioenergetic use. This severely limits the future potential of these two renewable energy sources for Germany.
In wind and sun, the fluctuations are too great
As further renewable energy sources in which Germany could invest, only wind and sun remain. The problem: Electricity generation fluctuates here, as Kobe emphasizes. It just depends on whether the wind is blowing - or not, although the latter is quite often the case. In the case of solar energy, on the other hand, everything depends on solar radiation: "The vast majority of the annual share of electricity from photovoltaic systems in electricity production is fed in summer and then again especially in a few hours around noon, before and after the proportion is low and at night the sun never shines." The network will soon no longer be able to cope with these additional generation fluctuations.
https://exxpress.at/media/2021/10/solar-panel-g915bb436d-1920.jpgSolar systems can be expanded, but this does not change the fluctuations in electricity generation
Unlike hydropower and biogas plants, the addition of solar and wind turbines in Germany is quite possible and is also often demanded - but unfortunately it does not solve the problem. Despite strong addition, the actual performance has already remained comparatively low. If even more wind and solar systems are added, the problems in the event of dark slumps cannot be solved. If no wind blows in Germany, no wind turbine moves, no matter how many additional ones have been set up. Conversely, if too much sun shines and too much wind blows, the plants produce more than all consumers can lose weight. Even then, security of supply is endangered and the system is no longer stable.
Germany needs much more storage
The problem is: Consumers set the rhythm. You determine when how much electricity is needed. Electricity is the most perishable commodity in the world, says Kobe. At the same time as it is produced, it must also be consumed. However, excess electricity cannot be stored in the grid. One solution would be to store the currently too much electricity generated. The problem: Germany does not have such storage with the necessary gigantic storage capacity, and they will not be available to it in the foreseeable future.
https://exxpress.at/media/2021/10/tesla-gf74aa1074-1920.jpgBatteries from electric cars are also not a substitute for electricity storage
The batteries of the electric cars were far from sufficient as electricity storage, not to mention that no one will bear the costs of temporary storage unless they are compensated for it.
Kobe is most concerned about security of supply. It is not without reason that the author of the monitoring report of the Ministry of Economic Affairs remained anonymous. It says: "Overall, the availability of energy sources for electricity generation must be considered secure." Kobe says: "Experts are horrified and sound the alarm."
https://exxpress.at/physiker-deutsche-energiewende-wird-platzen-wie-eine-seifenblase/?fbclid=IwAR19Yy0kIBDxkGFGiBpkEqtq8ZEUtaSYtOQqMwgKAlIhCWWB6raVjz3qHx0
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Det har dessverre ingen sammenheng her. Det er kablene som har knyttet oss til ett marked der stømmen er mye dyrere.
Bruker vi mindre, så selges det bare mer til EU/England.
Varmepumpe industrien gnir seg i hindene nå
Vi har jo fått høre at vi sløser størm og bruker for mye, og bør skamme oss.
Og så leser jeg dette, visste jo at de bruker gass nede i Europa, falt aldri innn å undersøke mer.
Faktum, energibruk her og der, like mye kWh begge steder, i gjenomsnitt, her, bare strøm, siden vi ikke har annet, der noe strøm og mye gass som vanligvis er mye rimeligere.
https://www.abcnyheter.no/stemmer/2021/11/13/195798352/europeiske-strompriser-kan-bli-dramatisk-for-norske-forbrukere?fbclid=IwAR0upfP93I9BJu59CYjCFGQqy97xOJmMeAzma8pqNGZK3DwXUygfyjHViBg
Og som over jo mer vi sparer desto mer kan de eksportere.
Man bør merke seg at selv om Norge bygde ut samtlige elver/fosser i dette landet til vannkraftsanlegg, og i tillegg slengte på et par atomkraftverk, så vil ikke dette gi lavere strømpriser i Norge.
Joda, for såååå stor overføringskapasitet har vi faktisk ikke.